Nope! Ugly and inefficient, and will not put a dent into our actual energy needs! Bird populations will get caught up in the blades. STOP THIS MADNESS PLEASE! "liberalism is a mental disorder"

We should line every pond in the area with these useless monstrocities (sp) which might do some good reducing the illegal geese population. We could then offer jobs for the unemployed picking up dead geese and handling disposal. Make the environment more healthy; reduce unemployment saving tax dollars; and ship the waste to the White House to fertilize M's garden. A win-win and eco nuts could then have an eco friendly positive to cite.

Dan - yer an idiot. These big windmills don't chop birds to pieces. But, seeing how you are a raging republican and emphatically believe the "earth needs to toughen up", why do you care anyway? Less oil means cheaper energy prices. The real problem is domestic or feral cats, windows, cars, pesticides and power lines which kill birds.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/green-science/wind-turbine-kill-birds.htm

Brad Faxton, each time you post on here, my faith in meeting reasonable liberals decreases, exponentially.

Brad, you are either an idiot or simply ignorant of the facts. Which is it?

...and one more thought about this. Who believes that man can change the weather patterns of the world? Liberals. They are the most narcissistic cult of people on the earth. Ask Keith Olbermann or Nina Tottenberg.. not that question, but any question. You'll see what i mean.

I'm really sorry you have troubles communicating. I feel sorry for you.

No worries, Brad. Only 20% of Americans admit to being liberals. So, being able to communicate effectively with 4 outta 5 ain't bad.

Oh. 20% of Americans are also thought to have mental illness. Not sure how this correlates to the first stat, but it's fun to play connect the dots with fun facts like these.

Topic switch - quite appropriate - bullying. Nice.

LOOKS LIKE A BUNCH OF JUNK ! ! !

What's wrong with nuclear?

I'm sorry, you must not have ready the article because it seems like you are suggesting that the article was about using wind turbines to power your car. Now that's so far from what was actually talked about (and reality) that I'd hate to believe you were talking about something completely unrelated to the news article just because you personally dislike the other issue.

That's right because there's unlimited oil, right?

Another is that it sounds good to be rid of fossil fuels and nuclear energy, but you are talking thousands of jobs gone and wind energy has still not added up to the existing energy that we have now. What will we do with the thousands of employees that will no longer have a job? Will the government create jobs for them too? We all know that really means more tax dollars and we will be the one who "creates" them. Meanwhile, gas goes up because they won't re-open oil operations (you knew that the president closed some when he got into office, right? I have a friend who told me that he worked for one in Texas that he closed down.) and they won't drill on-shore in some very remote places in Alaska, for example. Food, clothes, everything is going up while people are getting less money and no cost of living increases at their jobs. We have a government who knows no budget and doesn't care who pays the bills. In Illinois, they "Balance the Budget" on how they can borrow. When will people get it? Quit living in the now, or what sounds good. Look at all of this with EYES WIDE OPEN.

http://naturalresources.house.gov/Issues/Issue/?IssueID=15410

Could your friend please tell me his oil field? I'm afraid I didn't see any oilfields being closed in your link.

Ugh, I went to correct the post and ended up deleting it. Could you re-post from your email please, Bucephalus or others. Thank you.

Lisa, how is anti-bullying a threat to religious freedom? You are not the only one to use religious freedom as an excuse on a number of issues. How will your freedom be impacted?

I will spell it out for you.

It leaves a wide scope of interpretation. What is bullying? See if that same definition is the same in the next person. Is it a look, word, action, a shirt design, or a belief?

Bullying is wrong, and one might think it is on an e-News posting situation where one goes from town to town posting hateful, lies. Or is it a first amendment issue? Lines should be drawn with clear definitions and real consequences for those actions. Only then, should it come up for some kind of vote. Not when it is wide open for interpretation.

And obviously Quinn has hoodwinked Snyder and Corbertt. Those naive conservative governors, if only they weren't do foolish. If only Michigan and Pennsylvania had governors smart enough to immediately reject anything Quinn shows any support for.

Lisa, you did not spell anything out regarding my question. How is freedom of religion impacted by anti-bullying programs? Should a neo-nazi be able to denigrate Jews by discrimination or beat Jews up because their beliefs are not the same in the name of religious freedom? What if an atheist discriminates against you or your children because of your fundamentalist beliefs? Think of your girls being relentlessly verbally assaulted because of their beliefs. What's the big deal, right? It's religious expression and that is a freedom in this country. Ok, never mind. You better believe I wouldn't think twice in not hiring you, your husband, or your kids for anything. It would be against my religious beliefs. C'est la vie.

If you consider Walker reducing the number of employed tax payers in Wisconsin as positive, then I guess you have a point. If you don't think work conditions matter, like Walker, then again, you are correct. Compassionate conservatism at its best.

Donna, please provide a link to those statistics about the birds please. I have heard the opposite, but I am open to hearing differing views on it.

I like alternatives, but I also know, as I have stated above, that we have needs now that are being ignored and you just can't flip a switch on the energy that we need now.

Here ya go Lisa! Too bad hubby got 3rd place.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/green-science/wind-turbine-kill-birds.htm

And really Lisa, do you honestly believe millions of birds are being chopped to pieces each min as a result of wind turbines? I also thought raging insane republicans believe that the earth needs to toughen up - there is no such thing as global warming - dumping waste oil in the sewer is ok - who cares about birds.

I don't get it.

Either way, birds are just fine. You need to stop driving because that is what kills 80 million birds/yr.

Thanks...great link.

Large and small businesses are finding that being "green" is beneficial to their own interests. When they make their facilities more energy efficient they increase their profits. When they remove harmful chemicals from their products or engineers them to be less material intensive it lowers their costs and contributes to their bottom line. It's also great PR. Its a giant business opportunity not a burden. The US tax code, as cumbersome as it is, has long been used to encourage and discourage certain behaviors of the tax payers. Now we find ourselves being encouraged to invest in a clean energy economy and efficiency rather than in the old dirty fuels economy. It's still up to us in the market place to make the choice. When the Army decided to go "green" they did so because it was in their strategic best interest. Do we want good soldiers driving fuel trucks (large bombs) through enemy territory or do we make our outposts energy self sufficient by being efficient and using solar and wind to drive the lights radios and computers? When congress cuts the budget does the army complain about the electric and water bill or do they get more efficient? The Army chose to be efficient in a very big way. Their investment benefits the public, through lower government costs and lower prices for efficiency products in the market place.

Donna - unless the government subsidizes these projects, no one will build them. They are incredibly inefficient, and the ROI is virtually non-existent. The only way companies find profit in these projects is through the federal government paying for them through subsidies. When the money from the feds dries up, these wind farms will stop being built. In addition - look into the long term maintenance of wind fams. They are a drain on financial resources, and the energy from them is inconsistent and unreliable, and it can not be stored.

HM - so I take it that you are for the elimination in subsidies that the oil industry is getting....

Actually TwoKidDad, yes - and I don't like the subsidies to the farmers either, for that matter. Or that banks. Or the Insurance Comapnies. However, I was responding to this artlcle, which is about wind power. And, being very close to wind power, I can tell you that each time the government subsidies are close to ending, most wind projects get put on hold, and developers threaten to pull the plug. Alas, our fine congress, when cornered, votes to extend the subsidies, which takes more money out of our pockets. Also, I can tell you that if it were not for the subsidies, there would be absolutely no money to be made, and no energy developer would build a wind farm. They are not cost effective to build, or maintain, and they don't produce a consistent stream of electricity. As it is today, the biggest enticement for building these farms is that the developers make money off of the government, which is really you and me, and the end result is that we will end up paying higher energy prices.

HM - then eliminate all of the subsidies, lets go with a level playing field. But no, that just got voted down by Republican controlled House. They voted to protect subsidies to oil. So if oil gets subsidies, so should wind. What are the costs to maintain a wind turbine? Heck of lot less than an oil or coal power plant. The constant stream of energy will be combated when we finally adopt a smart grid and the technology that already exist with fluid metal batteries goes commercial.

lol...and somebody criticized me for 'changing the topic'.

so, Homer, are you for the pretty, bird chopping, windmills..or not?

http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/even-more-wind-power-fail-21000-wind-turbine-saves-nevada-city-4-in-energy-costs/

"One example is the city of Reno, which paid $21,000 to have a wind turbine installed. It’s saved them a whopping $4 in energy costs. In total, the city has paid $416,000 for all of it’s wind turbines, only to see a net savings of $2,800."

By the way, the primary was only for Republicans and Democrats. Independents and other parties can start getting forms to gather signatures now.

Lennie Jarratt - They were dumb not to require actual wind meter readings prior to installation. There are kits that cost about $300 that you can use to test windspeeds. And you need to test over a period of time before you make the investment this large. This situation would be like putting an oil rig up in downtown Cary, without knowing if there is oil there or not. Don't base your estimated speeds based on a chart for the entire area.

Oh Len - sorry you got 3rd place.

*gasp*

It has recently come to my attention that the underlying reasons and causes for McCloudsUncle's possession-obsessed missives must be defined, examined, and resolved, or they'll never cease. I would like to start by discussing McCloudsUncle's metanarratives, mainly because they scare me. The thing I'm the most frightened about is that McCloudsUncle is known for requiring religious services around the world to begin with "McCloudsUncle is great; McCloudsUncle is good; we thank McCloudsUncle for our daily food". This is not only a grotesque betrayal of the principles that McCloudsUncle himself claims to uphold but a clear demonstration of how if you think that this is humorous or exaggerated, you're wrong. His barbarism-prone jeremiads are meticulously designed to keep the population unaware, uneducated, dumbed down, and focused on stupefying activities like video games. The intention is to prevent people from noticing that McCloudsUncle has been tossing quaint concepts like decency, fairness, and rational debate out the window. The take-away message of this letter is that McCloudsUncle is leading us down the road of terrorism. We should hold these words to our bosom, use them as a shield against McCloudsUncle's inequities, and wield them unilaterally against those who would increase alienation and delinquency among our young people.

Congratulations to McCloud for saying that immoralism is absolutely essential to the well-being of society. That indubitably wins the prize for being the most ignominious and pharisaical thing I've ever heard. Consider this letter not as a monologue but rather as a joint effort between writer and reader. Together we shall put him on notice for his attempts to play fast and loose with the truth. Together we shall provide information and inspiration to as many people as possible. And together we shall take personal action and point out that the emperor has no clothes on. He has, at times, called me "pot-valiant" or "improvident". Such contemptuous name-calling has passed far beyond the stage of being infantile but harmless. It has the capacity to sentence more and more people to poverty, prison, and early death. A great many decent people are just as distressed as I am about McCloud's publications. Do give that some thought.

"Moderates and conservatives were adept at guessing how liberals would answer questions. Liberals, especially those who described themselves as “very liberal,” were least able to put themselves in the minds of their adversaries and guess how conservatives would answer.

1) We found no support for the hypothesis that liberals would be most accurate; liberals were the least accurate about conservatives and about liberals. The largest inaccuracies were in liberals’ underestimations of conservatives’ Harm and Fairness concerns, and liberals further exaggerated the political differences by overestimating their own such concerns.

2) We found some support for the hypothesis that moderates would be most accurate, which they were in the case of the binding foundations.

The research showed that, by a significant margin, liberals were less accurate in their depiction of conservatives than the converse. "

http://www.redstate.com/bs/2012/03/28/liberals-conservatives-values-and-how-we-perceive-each-other/

Here Lennie - if you can post a random link, I suppose I can too.

http://www.alternet.org/media/154875/the_science_of_fox_news%3A_why_its_viewers_are_the_most_misinformed/?page=entire

Lennie Jarratt gets his superior grasp of the liberal intellect through his work at Veggie Tales, and as a Correctional Officer. Due to these startling qualifications, he now seeks political office in Illinois. Lennie 'The Tugboat' Jarratt (lmao). His other major interests include WI politics...

Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of the evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and goodwill, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper, and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!"

If you are going to quote Scripture, do that. Don't rewrite it.
Ezekiel 25:15-17

15 “This is what the Sovereign LORD says: ‘Because the Philistines acted in vengeance and took revenge with malice in their hearts, and with ancient hostility sought to destroy Judah, 16 therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am about to stretch out my hand against the Philistines, and I will cut off the Kerethites and destroy those remaining along the coast. 17 I will carry out great vengeance on them and punish them in my wrath. Then they will know that I am the LORD, when I take vengeance on them.’”

Lisa - don't mess with Marcel Wallace............

I'm all for seeking alternative energy sources, but the Obama administration has wasted billions of our tax dollars funding these losers. Let the free market rule the day...private investors do a little bit better than Obama/Chu in picking winners.