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State’s Attorney Candidates Discuss Charging Minors as Adults

How can the role of the prosecutor affect cases like Rousso, Lynn, Mahoney and Norris? Without mentioning specific cases, Mike Nerheim and Chris Kennedy explain what they could do.

 

Felony charges against Deerfield and Highland Park teenagers since early August has sparked intense discussion in those communities about what kind of consideration should be given to young people without past criminal history.

A prosecutor’s discretion has some effect on how these cases could progress through the courts and ultimately what kind of punishment the accused offenders could receive. The only certainty is Lake County will have a new state’s attorney after the Nov. election.

Earlier: Prosecutor Explains Why Norris, Mahoney Charged as Adults

Long time Lake County State’s Attorney Mike Waller is not running for reelection. Lake County voters will choose either Democrat Chris Kennedy or Republican Mike Nerheim to replace Waller.

Josh Norris and Joseph Mahoney of Deerfield, both 17 at the time, were arrested August 3 for invading the Highland Park home with a gun where Jacob Lynn, 17, resides. Two weeks later Lynn was arrested for possession of Marijuana with intent to sell on facts arising from the earlier events.

Last month, Carly Rousso, 18, of Highland Park was charged with reckless homicide and other offenses in the Sept. 3 death of Jaclyn Santos-Sacramento, 5, also of Highland Park. If all four are convicted of all charges, Norris and Mahoney face significantly more prison time—over 100 years—than Lynn or Rousso.

Both Nerheim and Kennedy talked to Patch about the role of a prosecutor in situations like Rousso, Lynn, Mahoney and Norris Face. Both candidates made it clear they were talking only in generalities about potential situations.

“I want to make it clear I’m not talking about these cases or any specific case,” Kennedy said. Nerheim agrees.

State Law Dictates When a Minor Must Be Charged as an Adult

When it comes to charging a 17-year-old as an adult, the state’s attorney has little discretion. Both Kennedy and Nerheim made it clear state law requires that once a person becomes 17 and is charged with a felony they are considered an adult.

“If you charge someone 17 with a misdemeanor they are in the juvenile system,” Nerheim said. “If a 17-year-old person is charged with a felony they’re treated as an adult offender.

A number of Patch readers have questioned why crimes where no person was harmed like the offenses charged against Mahoney and Norris carry a potentially longer jail term than one resulting in loss of life like reckless homicide.

Both Nerheim and Kennedy explained the intent of the person charged with a crime is a determining factor in the length of a potential sentence. They also made it clear the Illinois General Assembly creates those laws, not the state’s attorney.

Intent Effects Severity of Charge

“Intent is a major factor,” Kennedy said. “Recklessness is determined to be less harmful than an intentional act. Just because a person enters someone else’s house with a gun doesn’t mean it’s not highly likely to cause harm.”

Nerheim would like to see stiffer penalties for people who harm or kill another when they are driving impaired. “A person who gets behind the wheel under the influence of alcohol or drugs knows what can happen (to another),” he said.

While a state’s attorney can only prosecute existing crimes, that person can lobby the legislature to make changes. “The state’s attorney would have the role as an advocate to improve criminal law and public safety,” Kennedy said. “I would appear before the legislature and advocate for improved laws. I’ve done that before.”

When it comes to going to Springfield to make changes, Nerheim shares Kennedy’s passion. “Absolutely,” Nerheim said when asked if he would lobby the general assembly. “It’s the job of a prosecutor.” 

Related Topics: Chris Kennedy, Democratic Party, Lake County State's Attorney, Mike Nerheim, Politics, Republican Party, election 2012, and participate 2012

David Gasper

7:00 am on Monday, October 8, 2012

Kennedy for me sounds like a much more professional and well thought out candidate. However, the lack of substantive difference makes me wonder if there was perhaps not better more in depth questions that could have been asked. An article that doesn't showcase the difference between our choices doesn't do much aside from highlighting the idea of minors being tried as adults. As both Mr. Nerheim and Mr. Kennedy explain this is a matter of law at 17 and not something a state's attorney can do much with. While both explain the idea of the office of State's Attorney as a law advocacy position no exposition of what they would do for this aspect is given here. I know Chris Kennedy has 17 laws for the benefits of people with disabilities that he's advocated and helped pass in the past. I would be curious to here for both candidates with regards to both what they have helped advocate for and what changes to the legal framework they would advocate in the future. I hope in the future journalists are willing to produce substantive articles that provide them that opportunity.

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Cliff Hanger

8:59 am on Monday, October 8, 2012

Hi David,
You said it all with your first few words. I met Kennedy in his office a few months ago and was totally impressed with his quiet, well considered judgements. After about an hour's interview, I left asking myself if this guy was really a politician because he's so understated, so well thought out... I also left thinking that the county couldn't be in safer, better hands.

Paul

8:38 am on Monday, October 8, 2012

I think an article like this raises awareness to those that may not know the laws and in this particular article it is about the 17 year old vs.18 year old debate on whether to be charged as a juvenile. However, I would suggest that one form an opinion for a candidate on more than just an article in paper. Talk to those in the legal field that know the candidates, watch a debate, or go their websites and request to meet the candidates. I have known Mike for 14 years. I can tell you he is ethical, honest, and fair. On Mike's website see how he would fight for a victim in a crime if you have any doubts - he posted a video about a young lady who is thankful Mike was the prosecutor in a case many years ago. To me that video is much more powerful than being "professional" in an article written by a third party.

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David Gasper

9:15 am on Monday, October 8, 2012

While you discount a professional article written by a third party as though that is something distasteful, I must strongly disagree. A well educated public and a free press are ideals not just that our nation is built on but ideals that strengthen and invigorate any democracy. Neither candidate has a fair view of their opponent on their website. I'm asking for quality journalism, not people to form their opinion on a single article. Candidate websites are great for hearing how candidates and their supporters feel about them. They tend not to be a great source for facts or fair discussion of both candidates.Journalism, articles which you so quickly dismiss, are the core of information within the democratic system. It is why we fight so hard, from police officers to lawyers to soldiers, to defend the first amendment and rights like it. I can appreciated that your 14 year personal connection to Mike makes you back him. I'm not discounting that at all. However, the implication in your statement that Mike is ethical, honest, and fair is that Chris is not. Frankly I think we're both aware that's not true. Even the Chicago Tribune noted Chris as "[having] a reputation for high ethics[...]" But let's not pretend that journalistic outlets don't have a slant (the Tribune themselves often noted with a Republican slant). If you're aware of a debate between Chris and Mike we can watch please share. Remember, an educated public is the strength of a democracy and the fear of a dictator.

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RationalTht

11:04 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

David - the problem is, much of the "free press" has become nothing more than a mouthpiece for the DNC. It no longer provides "true" information for an educated public to use, but rather a "tainted" source that the public may use in conjunction with other sources.

There was a day long ago when the media actually reported the news and had true investigative reporting, no matter the party of the person being investigated.

Richard Albanese

11:45 am on Monday, October 8, 2012

I am a former Cook County Prosecutor with over a decade of experience prosecuting in Illinois. I now serve as a criminal defense attorney and can say that being on both sides has given me invaluable experience and perspective on the law and the proper handling and disposition of cases. Mike Nerheim has the same professional experience and brings a fresh perspective to the Lake County State's Attorney's Office. He has also already clearly articulated and outlined specific changes he would make upon taking office such as the creation of a deferred prosecution program. These type of programs are already being utilized with excellent results in counties across Illinois. As to the article above I think it is important for the public to understand a Prosecutor does not make or change laws that are passed by the Illinois Legislature. A prosecutor has a duty to follow those laws as they apply to a given case. Mike Nerheim not only has a far greater depth of experience in the area of criminal law but has a clear vision to make Lake County a safer and better overall county.

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David Gasper

12:21 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

I think saying that Mike Nerheim has a far greater depth of experience in criminal law is a touch hyperbolic but that's politics for you. I'll let Chris Kennedy's record both as a criminal lawyer and a lawyer in general stand for itself. I am confused however how one can construe a lifetime of work in the criminal justice system as an attorney (prosecutor or defense) as a "fresh perspective". Credit to both Chris and Mike for talking about things like deferred prosecution programs, DNA testing, and 'integrity units'. As a voter I'm just trying to understand the choice I have. And honestly, the only difference I've seen here and elsewhere is that Mike has practiced only criminal law while Chris went outside that box. I agree the primary job of a prosecutor is to follow how written laws pertain to a given case. However as the article says, "While a state’s attorney can only prosecute existing crimes, that person can lobby the legislature to make changes." And again I'm not seeing a substantive difference between my choices. Again, there is an implication in your statement that Mike has a vision to make Lake County a safer and better overall county that Chris does not. Again, this is simply not true. Chris has clearly outlined his own solid plan which would make Lake County a safer and better overall community and add integrity and transparency back to an office and system that sorely needs it. I've not heard from Mike on transparency, have Google and I missed something?

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Lennie Jarratt

9:15 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

@David, a quick google search brings up several discussions on transparency:

From the Daily Herald: http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20120918/submitted/309189771/

Prosecutions of several Island Lake officials failed; the current state?s attorney?s office has said it prefers not to prosecute cases involving violations of the Open Meetings Act and other government-related crimes. Should such cases be prosecuted?

Yes. The Open Meetings Act is an important statute to ensure transparency of the government process. As State?s Attorney, I will create a Public Integrity Unit that will investigate and prosecute crimes involving official misconduct, public corruption and fraud, and will ensure the public is given access to all the information to which its entitled from its government.

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Lennie Jarratt

9:16 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Grayslake Patch: http://grayslake.going.com/articles/lake-county-state-s-attorney-candidates-say-cameras-bring-transparency-to-courtroom

Michael Nerheim, one of three Republican candidates, agrees victim and witness rights need to be protected, and that cameras could inhibit cooperation from potential witnesses. However, the Gurnee resident and Waukegan attorney supports the ruling because it provides transparency to courtroom proceedings.

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Lennie Jarratt

9:17 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Lake County Journal: http://elections.lakecountyjournal.com/candidate/615/Mike-Nerheim/

What would change with how the office is run and how would you do it?

One of my top priorities is preventing wrongful convictions and restoring the public’s trust in the office. Being State’s Attorney is about making tough decisions and the toughest decision a State’s Attorney has to make is deciding when not to charge cases where there is insufficient evidence. My plans include creating an independent Case Review Panel, developing protocols for the prosecution of cases with forensic evidence and improving training for prosecutors and law enforcement. I will promote transparency and a culture in the office that is open to looking at all different kinds of evidence to ensure the right people are being prosecuted. I will also focus on the growing problem of gangs and gang violence in our community. I will create a Public Integrity Unit to investigate and prosecute crimes involving official misconduct, public corruption and fraud. I will bring an increased focus on victims and victims’ rights. One of the programs I will bring to Lake County is an Alternative Prosecution Program for first-time non-violent offenders to earn a second chance to make good, and to better benefit the community and victims. For a complete list of my priorities, visit mikenerheim2012.com.

Jose

2:34 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Charging minors as adults ??? like we need more people in prison. prisons are over crowded..I disagree with that, kids should get a second chance ..kids shouldn't be charge as adults..
people who are in jail for possession of pot should be release from jail..Lets face it, pot smokers are going to buy pot wither is legal or not. so lets legalize it and tax it and pay off the debts...

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RationalTht

11:06 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

So, you are in favor of giving 17 year old gang bangers who kill innocent people a pass because they are "young". That is the problem.

Jose

3:04 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Everyone running for office wants to look tough..when are we going to get regular people to run for office ?? Is always lawyers--doctors---that run for office is why our country is so screw up ...Look at the congress, everyone is a lawyer--doctor and rich, explains why our country is so screw up...They are suppose to serve the people, but do not. They served the corporations and the greedy people.
They should say no to corporate bribes, but they don't..
No honesty---no pride---no honor--no moral values, No shame.

If i was to run for office ?? i would only take contributions from the voters who elect me..i would be the only honest politician out there.

I believe Mr. Obama said that he would not take political contributions from corporations ?? Didn't keep his word. People change when they get to Washington. What happen to honest politicians ????

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Doesnt matter

4:06 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

because hour country is screw up, that why.

Swapna Baumann

4:14 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Chris Kennedy is an honest politician. He is grateful for any help. He & his family have advocated for everyday people long before this race. I know for a fact that when people are strapped for money the donation for fundraising dinners were refunded.
I met both at a forum and heard them present the course of action when elected.
I liked both of them...i.e. the non-aggressive style. Let me explain why I decided for Chris Kennedy. Before that let me state I met him because of the election,and he has not promised me a position in his office after he is elected.
He is deliberate in his thinking and as a lawyer he pays attention to everyone regardless of financial stature
He has served his community as a school board member
He has been tireless in getting laws through for the disabled.
**Prosecutors seem to forget the people factor in their zeal to get a conviction. The republican office under Waller is guilty of this and lake County will be out of our tax dollars because of the injustice. The now Waller will retire while we the tax pay for his willful negligence.
Chris K will not push for wrongful conviction because he sees the person and will see justice done.
Chris K does not agree to do something to get endorsements. When asked he is honest in his answers (we have seen many renege on promises made prior to their wins) CK is a straight shooter
Chris does not steal his opponents sign and taken to the tire yards, ...that POed me.

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Swapna Baumann

4:15 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Jose I hope you will consider Chris kennedy as your states attorney

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The Q

5:17 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

No Kennedy has ever been good for America......none.

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David Gasper

6:15 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Just to set the record straight there are no familial ties between Chris Kennedy and the political Kennedy family. Sharing a last name and sharing a legacy are two different things. It's like never voting for another Nixon because everyone sharing the last name of Nixon must be a crook. Frankly, whether it's a last name or a party label skipping over candidates without learning who they personally are and what the platform they are running on falls far short of our civic duty that so many have fought and died for. I encourage all of us to look at both candidates in every race and to cast our vote for the person we feel best qualified for that position.

Swapna Baumann

5:56 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

So says someone of a "Q"uestionable nature who does not have the guts to post under own name.. credible NO...Questionable..definitely

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Jason Mercure

6:29 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

I have known Mike Nerheim for over 13 years, as a colleague and as a friend. He is as professional as they come. He certainly is not a politician, this being the only office he has ever run for. I have always found Mike to be ethical, honest, fair and professional. I'm not sure how a positive comment regarding a person's 14 years of experience with Mike Nerheim can be perceived as a negative comment toward Mr. Kennedy. What I do know is that Mike Nerheim is a person with the right experience, attitude, commitment, professionalism, viewpoint and integrity to be the next State's Attorney for Lake County, regardless of party affiliation. Mike was not selected by the Republican Party to run for this position. In fact, the party's choice was a different person. Also, the allegation regarding stealing signs is ridiculous. I happen to be good friends with one of the Democratic Primary Candidates that ran for this office not named Kennedy. The Democrat candidate had a sign personally returned to him by Mike Nerheim when it was damaged, not only was this person a possible opponent for the position, he was of the opposite party. Mike views the State's Attorney's Office as a non-political office. Jason

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LMJ

8:53 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Mike has got my vote hands down. I think that it will be refreshing not to have a business as usual in the State's attorney's office. My family know full well how some "passes" are given to people because of who people know or are related to. I don't think Mike will do that. I have talked to him extensively, and there is no stuffiness to him, or delusions of grander. He treats everyone fairly and justly. I will vote for you and I am telling everyone else to too. I can't wait for him to get into office.

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Lennie Jarratt

9:00 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

I have had discussions with both candidates as well on crimes committed in the political realm. It was very clear to me that Mike Nerheim would prosecute those crimes whereas Kennedy just skirted around the issue with a non-answer.

Kennedy is a typical politician. Nerhiem will bring true justice and fairness back to the State's Attorney office.

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Walter White

9:22 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

There's a surprise. The Tea Party supports Nerhiem.

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Lennie Jarratt

9:30 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

It's always fun to see ad hominens instead of facts. Too funny there WW.

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Walter White

7:47 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

And it's also always fun to see someone use big words to make themself sound smart and then misspell them. Hilarious.

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LMJ

8:44 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

You know what is funnier? Someone who corrects someone's spelling, totally off subject and trying to attack the poster, but is incorrect themselves. Now THAT'S funny!

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Walter White

9:44 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Even funnier someone using their real name and then pretending to be another poster supporting that person and thinking using their initials will fool everyone.

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Lennie Jarratt

10:48 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

lol @WW, love the conspiracy theory. BTW, I post just as myself with my real name. I don't need to hide behind and alias.

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LMJ

10:48 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

I am me, he is someone else. I am not multiple users like "some people" on here. Quit playing games.

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Walter White

10:55 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Double barrel Lennie! Love it!

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RationalTht

11:08 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Walter - what a surprise, knee-jerk liberals support whomever the democratic party puts forth in IL - there's a surprise.

I like Chris and I have met him, but I am hesitant to support anyone beholden to the Democratic power brokers and unions that have run this state into the ground.

Kathy Oetker

1:38 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Mr. Jarratt: Unfortunately, you have a quite a history. Anyone can follow up with your many articles and see how disruptive you have been. Your citings are not about transparency. The do represent some of his ideas. Your way to deal with people is to harass them until they give up or agree with you.

I certainly will not hold your endorsement against Mr. Nerheim. I only hope that now and in the future you are not one of his advisers and have not been promised a position on his Independent Review Panel.

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LMJ

6:26 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Disruptive? Thank God for disruptive! Disruptive means that Chicago style politics are being challenged and the fact that you say he doesn't give up, well, many people do give up that shouldn't, but are being threatened in some way to just that. My family has suffered at great cost at the hand of business as usual.

Mike is the only hope for this race to NOT have Chicago here in Lake County. That is why his supporters on here are so hard pressed to have people vote for Kennedy. In my opinion, Kennedy = Chicago. I don't want dead people voting in Lake County and the kind of underhanded dealings that Chicago politics bring.

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Lennie Jarratt

10:55 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Yes, I do have a history of standing up for what is right, uncovering corruption, unethical behavior, and wasteful spending. If you would like to discuss those issues more in depth I'd be happy to do so sometime.

I do find it interesting that you and others who are using the "When did you stop beating your wife" approach to accusations. That tactic is rampant this political season and is totally dishonest.

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Walter White

10:57 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Who beat his wife? Lennie or LMJ?

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Lennie Jarratt

11:38 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Keep on going there @WW, it is good that everyone else can see what type of person you truly are; a person who just attacks others with baseless accusations.

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Walter White

11:41 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

So you're not a member of the Tea Party?

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David Gasper

12:10 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Just to be clear "When did you stop beating your wife?" is a reference to logical fallacy called Loaded Questions. The lack of a question mark makes this reference just not fit at least in the case of Ms. Oetker's first post.

Considering I've seen plenty from straw man fallacies, like this "Chicago politics" argument below,so I don't think anyone can play the "holier than thou card".

Ken Heerdegen

7:37 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

We as a society must decide what the definition of a "child" is. We cannot give the same group "adult" privileges ( for example, birth control without parental consent) but not adult responsibilities (treating 17 year old felons as juvenile offenders).

As to the debate on who is the best candidate for Lake Co. States Attorney, I can only say this; in my professional capacity I have met nearly every lawyer that has worked at the SA's office over the past 25 years. Some I now count as friends. I first met Mike Nerheim as a prosecutor in the States Attorneys office. He was engaged, intuitive, knowledgeable, respectful, everything you could ask for. Above all else, I got the sense that a case wasn't just a work product he had to get from point A to point B, he showed concern,,,for the victim, the witnesses, the police who worked the case, even that the offender was getting a fair shake. Later I worked with him in private practice. This is a guy who isn't too busy to stop and help someone. He doesn't send you down the road to someone else. He's also not what you could call an "insider". He's his own man and he doesn't owe anyone. He'll do right by us.

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David Gasper

10:53 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

I'm sorry but the idea that we need to charge people as adults if they can get birth control without parental consent is insane. The two are totally separate issues. On that basis can you explain to me why I can vote and die for my country at 18 and not drink or own a handgun until 21? Graduated rights is a tradition that has held in this nation for centuries, it works both to reduce incidents of misuse of those rights (DUI) and to create a better environment (birth control access for example leads to lower abortion rates, high wages for women, along with other health benefits).

Rand Ayn

10:35 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Lmj/Lennie: good dodge. Chicago style politics-really. Lake County government and politics are corrupt. The states attorney office andvthev sheriffs office are a prime example. There is a lot of pay to play politics going on. So, enough with the straw person arguments.

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Lennie Jarratt

10:51 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Funny, I make a statement about my meetings with the candidates and them immediately get personal attacks against, yet you tell me and LMJ to stop posting. ROFL!!!

If you notice from my first comment it talked about crimes committed in the political realm that have not been prosecuted by the current State's Atty. You highlighted it for me again. This is why I sought out and spoke with both candidates to see how they would handle these types of cases. As stated before, Nerheim would prosecute, Kennedy just danced around the issue.

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Chris Kennedy

11:26 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Mr. Jarrett: I was very surprised to see your comments. I recall having met you only once, approximately a year ago at the Round Lake Beach Cultural Center and I specifically remember speaking with you about this topic, albeit briefly. I was with my family and you approached me. You asked me if I would prosecute violations of the OMA and similar statutes by elected officials and I said "Yes, absolutely." I then said, "That's an easy question. Now ask me a hard one." You smiled, said "okay" (or "all right") and walked away.
Your characterization of our exchange using terms like "danced around the issue," "indecisive" or "soft" is incorrect. My statement to you then was unequivocal, as is my commitment to pursuing justice without regard to any person's position, political party, or connections.
I have a track record here, as well. I have taken on public officials in my private practice and will continue to do so as State's Attorney. I don't simply talk about these values, I have lived them too.

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Walter White

6:53 am on Friday, October 12, 2012

OUCH. So you are saying that Lenny/LMJ might be fabricating stories for political purposes? Say it ain't so! The Tea Party is such an honorable organization I just couldn't imagine such a thing. I guess the Patch isn't a "no spin zone"

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Lennie Jarratt

8:27 am on Friday, October 12, 2012

Mr. Kennedy, you are correct that we first met at the RLB Civic Center. You are not correct on me asking about the OMA (Open Meetings Act). I asked you the same questions I asked every candidate for State’s Attorney I met: If elected would you prosecute cases of taxpayer resources being used to aid a candidate; secondly since the statute of limitations would not be up after your election would you go back and prosecute a vote fraud case in which a sitting school board member committed at least 2 felonies (according to the State’s Attorney) by giving gift cards to 18 year olds she registered to vote?
I assumed you did not know the specifics of the case in D46, which you said you did not, so I gave you a rundown of the case. To which you replied, you’d have to look at more specifics. That is understandable. You then made a remark about some of the evidence in the case that I had not mentioned, letting me know that you were aware of more of the specifics than what you had stated when we started. You did continue to dance around the issue and when you finally said something about all felonies should be prosecuted even in the public sector it was in a general sense and not the answer to my question.

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LMJ

12:11 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

Quit playing games, Mr. White. I am not Lennie. I have been watching this board though. You are acting like Biden last night. LOL

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Walter White

12:18 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

And you are like Ryan. You got caught in a lie. Own it.

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McCloud

12:22 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

You must mean Biden, who claimed to have voted against both the Iraq and Afganistan wars, since both were funded on a "credit card" (whatever that means).

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Lennie Jarratt

12:39 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

You should actually read @WW. I corrected Mr. Kennedy already about the questions and have provided him another chance to answer the questions, this time publicly.

As I have offered to others, please come out to a townhall sometime and learn the truth for yourself, instead of continuing spreading false statements.

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Walter White

12:45 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

I've seen all I need to see Lennie/LMJ. You have zero credibility.

Ken Heerdegen

2:15 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

David I didn't advocate either position, just pointing out the contradiction. By the way it used to be not that long ago that you could be drafted and drink at 18 but not vote,,,took the Supreme Court to fix that one. It was also not long ago that, in some states, one could get a drivers license at 14. My point was we continue to blur the lines between what is a child and what is an adult, and perhaps it is time we stop doing so. I would say that it seems like if we have decided that "children" under 17 are old enough to understand and participate in "protected" sex at government expense, then perhaps it isn't a stretch to believe they know right from wrong and should not be "protected" from the punishment for crimes they commit? Again, not advocating either way, just pointing out the contradiction.

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David Gasper

2:25 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

You clearly are advocating a position, "I would say that it seems like if we have decided that "children" under 17 are old enough to understand and participate in "protected" sex at government expense, then perhaps it isn't a stretch to believe they know right from wrong and should not be "protected" from the punishment for crimes they commit?" Adding a question mark doesn't change and If A then B statement.

Participation in sex, war, voting, drinking, and various crimes are all different things and should be viewed on an individual basis. Human brains develop different kinds of processing at different rates and times, and perhaps laws and policy informed by science is a direction we should look at. I personally don't just advocate a case by case basis of the juvenile laws but would love to see things like Mental Health Courts and deferred prosecution programs come to Lake County. It'd be nice to see us develop a legal system that worries more about outcome than conviction rates.

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Kathy Oetker

2:50 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Finally, getting to the core of the issue first stated. The criminal justice system should be interested on outcomes. Teen offenders should not just be put away. The crime should be looked and the possibility of rehabilitation, not just punishment.

Swapna Baumann

9:39 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Back to why I will vote for Chris Kennedy. Have you ever been to the SA's office to seek justice or know of someone? I have and I know others. I needed help to protect my children and what did I get? The victims advocate did nothing. Chris Kennedy will provide a list of what one should expect from SA's office. A people's advocate is always just in prosecuting.

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Lennie Jarratt

2:25 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Yes, I have been to the SA's Office. That is the reason I will vote for Mike Nerheim. He can look at the facts and make a decision. Kennedy just dodged the question with no real answer. It is clear who we need in Lake County. We need Mike Nerheim, not the indecisive Kennedy.

Swapna Baumann

9:51 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Many here have said that people have known Mike and therefore he is worthy of a vote;he is a good man and owes no one etc @ken h..if U hadn't mentioned Mike then it sounded like Chris. He is also not tainted by the Republican SA's unjust convictions with Judge Stark abetting the injustice. I like Mike but Chris I like more. We need to replace the tarnished office with justice, and Chris Kennedy is IT.

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Swapna Baumann

6:52 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Lennie I just didn't have a feeling that made me choose Chris, I gave concrete reasons for my choice. Anyway we have to disagree on our choice. So far we have not had voter suppression like the Reps have done in Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania. As for you standing up to injustice in politics you tend to have excuses for the Republican. The extreme Right Republican are honest that they will choose an R over a D. The Tea Party such as yourself will only pick a Tea Party or Republican. You lose credibility when u give the Reps...a pass. I don't want repeat of what we have in the SA's office. Mike is part of that and Chris is not

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Lennie Jarratt

9:05 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

I provided concrete reasons as well for supporting Nerheim.

You should read more of my writings and you will see I do call out anyone who is corrupt, regardless of their party and have been doing so for years. Waller was one of them for his lack of prosecutions for public sector crimes.

The choice in this race is who will be the person that will prosecute EVERY case fairly and judiciously. From my interacting with both candidates, Nerheim WILL do this whereas Kennedy seems as indecisive and soft as Waller on public sector crimes.

Swapna Baumann

9:20 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Lennie that was your interaction. There are others who think CHRIS IS THE BEST CANDIDATE. As for you calling out Waller and his office I don't remember hearing about it, and even so what makes you think Mike will not be the same? That's right he told you. Chris not only is a capable lawyer he is a successful advocate for people's rights. He also did not give you answers you wanted, knowing full well about your loud proclamation on things that you don't approve. That makes me more sure of Chris Kennedy to be my choice as SA of Lake County

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Lennie Jarratt

10:25 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

I have and will continue to fight for transparency and to hold elected officials accountable. If you call that "your loud proclamation on things that you don't approve" then you are distorting my record of fighting for the taxpayers of Lake County and Illinois. If you are willing to distort my record, why should anyone believe you won't distort the record of Chris or Mike Nerheim for your political purposes or candidate?

Swapna Baumann

9:32 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Lennie I have learnt about pension problems in Il from you and I agree that Madigan and pals have to go. Have you made waves about the SA's office having to shell out macho dollars of our tax money to settle suits on wrongful convictions, Or lawsuits waiting to happen in the Sheriffs dept. If you have provide links but if you haven't then why not? Is it because they were Reps and Tea Party? Credibility is lost when you make excuses for your preferred party's wrongs

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Lennie Jarratt

10:27 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

LOL, I just love all the you are guilty unless you prove yourself innocent posts. Then some the straw man arguments et al. These are all just a distraction from the real issues and deflection away from the State's Atty race candidates.

Sergey Kemskiy

5:17 am on Friday, October 12, 2012

I must confess that your writing on taxation is impressive. Issues regarding taxation and IRS are crucial for every business, that is why it is important to have a contact of a good tax lawyer. That is why I am trying to create the directory of the best US tax attorneys with detailed description of their legal practice. For example, look a category related to Illinois http://attorney-online.info/dir/tax/illinois/909 You must be a good tax attorney. If you are, you should submit your contacts to the attorney directory.

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Lennie Jarratt

8:30 am on Friday, October 12, 2012

Mr. Kennedy, I will ask both questions again here now so you can answer to all:

1. Would you prosecute cases of the use of tax payer resources to help a specific candidate?

2. If elected, will you prosecute Sue Facklam for committing at least 2 class 4 felonies (according to the State’s Attorney) by giving gift cards to 18 year olds for registering to vote?

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Kathy Oetker

6:11 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

Lennie:
You are aware , I assume of the body of Chris's legal and legislative work.
You are aware that Chris Kennedy defended the School Board Member in North Chicago who blew the whistle on the bribery going on with Quality Transportation.
Clearly, he will prosecute white collar crimes including the use of tax payer resources for a specific candidate.

I would suggest that he start with the sitting Republicans who used their offical office to send out literature clearly for their relection campaign - example Sandy Cole and Bonnie Carter Thompson, who by the way never sent out any communication to her consituents until Pat Feruzza ran against her this time. I am her constituent. Pat will communicate on a regular basis with her consituents. She will bring transparency to the Lake County Board and, she is not a professional politician that is wracking up a large pension.
You do know that Kennedy cannot comment on a specific case that he well may have to decide whether to prosecute or not. If Mike told you he would, there is a problem commenting on a case.

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Lennie Jarratt

8:45 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

I welcome your help at begin a watchdog in the county. We need all the help we can get since their are so many taxing bodies here. If you need to know how to do a FOIA, I can train you easily enough and even write it for you if you wish. Once you have the evidence I will gladly publish it in the appropriate outlet and help you with strategies to stop the problem from occurring again. Please feel free to email me any specific areas you want to watch over by contacting me at my website: http://LennieJarratt.com. I eagerly await your help in holding all elected officials accountable.

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Lennie Jarratt

8:47 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

As to commenting on a specific case, that is correct while it is still under investigation. In the case I asked all available SA candidates about, the investigation was complete so the question could be answered. If you are trying to claim it could not be, then the case the DNA case could not be discussed either.

Swapna Baumann

1:30 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

Lennie have You asked this or Mike?
On another point..u say I deflected away from the SAs issue because I asked if u had pursued Waller and Sheriffs office for settling lawsuits w/our tax monies because of misbehaviors in those offices (misuse of tax spending being ur area of interest & expertise). I asked U for links that show Ur efforts. Instead of links U give an evasive answer. I did not expect that but looking for the links that would prove u to be an advocate of the people. As such U have shown yourself to be someone who browbeats everyone except TeaParty and Republicans. Today U Are no longer credible to me, not that it will matter to U but there are those progressives from both Republican and Democratic parties that listen to me because I deal with facts and had told many that U were for the people. Again U R Not for The people.

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Lennie Jarratt

2:58 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

Yes I asked Mike those questions as I stated multiple times now. I also asked every other candidate running in the primary from both parties that I came across. One of the GOP candidates (that lost) deflected this question as well and actually got angry when asked. I made sure to work against that candidate.

I do find it hilarious that you want me to do your research for you. If I spent all day providing research to others who say I am guilty unless I prove myself innocent, I would never get any work done.

It's obvious the intent of those remarks. It's a deflection from the issue at hand and it is untrue. I have writing all over the internet and it is easy to find some links. I have lost friends on facebook because of it as well. We also had a discussion on twitter on this topic a while back.

It is also clearly obvious you have not attended any of the events back during the primary or past townhall meetings I was involved in. If you had, you would have seen first hand who I was calling out for inappropriate policies and behaviors.

If you do not have the time to do your own research, contact me after the election, when I have more time and I will gladly point you in the right direction so you can find out the truth instead of continuing more false accusations.

Swapna Baumann

2:47 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

posting mistake .....should be ...of Mike

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Swapna Baumann

2:59 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

Lennie U R asking Chris about specific incidents..U Know full well he cannot say anything w/o knowing particulars. THE FAIR thing would be to stick with the Republican SAs office that Mike has been part of during all thenwrongful convictions...DNA was not entertained even though it was requested. JUDGE Stark a friend of Waller, twice wrongfully put Riviera in prison. I checked. Never saw a protest from U. Mike teaches DNA in college, why didn't do anything to prevent injustice to Riviera?
As for the questions to Chris...I have an IDEA.....
Ask Mike the same questions .....Create a questioning event on FB, send out invitations and I will help.
This will serve two things..a reprieve from the stigma of being VERY PARTISAN for Republican + Tea Party, and a favor to Lake County residents by letting them see how these two candidates think?
I will Be waiting

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Lennie Jarratt

3:51 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

Like I said, I asked every SA candidate the same questions.

On your other accusation, that is just funny. You expect me to protest every wrong doing on every issue and by every elected official across Lake County. Wow, I'd never get any sleep OR work done.

BTW, the stigma you claim is only held by those who don't like to be held accountable by the people who pay the taxes and elect them. You should have read my campaign literature and website about what the Establishment Republicans called me when I announced I was running for office.

If you would like to volunteer to help as a watchdog please feel free to do so. I have been recruiting other education watchdogs (which you know is my focus) including the 2nd largest school district in the state. I'll be waiting.

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Lennie Jarratt

9:03 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

@Swapna siad, "Lennie U R asking Chris about specific incidents..U Know full well he cannot say anything w/o knowing particulars", That is correct while a case is still under investigation. In the case I asked ALL available SA candidates about, the investigation was complete so the question could be answered given all the information I provided. If you are trying to claim it could not be, then the case the DNA case could not be discussed either. The investigation was complete on that case as well.

Swapna Baumann

5:22 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

Lennie I am not asking U to research. I am asking U to show proof of your nonPartisan calling out of the Tea Party Sheriff and Republican SA. If I boasted of my work and asked for proof I'd give U the proof, not try to obfuscate the issue w/inane excuses. This action chips away from credibility as an advocate against wasteful spending.

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Lennie Jarratt

8:50 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

You are accusing me of not be bipartisan in my research and you want me to prove myself innocent of your charges. As I stated earlier "If you do not have the time to do your own research, contact me after the election, when I have more time and I will gladly point you in the right direction so you can find out the truth instead of continuing more false accusations."

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Lennie Jarratt

8:59 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

Here's a tip, go look at the voting records of the school board members in Grayslake D46. You will see that they are members of both main parties.

Swapna Baumann

5:41 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

Lennie I am away so pardon late postings. I would love to be a watchdog but it would best everyone.
I asked you about the Sheriff (Tea Party) and Republican SA offices that is costing tax payers money. This is local and extremely important.
This thread is about who is the better candidate. Mike never intervened w/suggestion to use DNA. He is an expert and teaches at a college level.
Chris is a teacher and not afraid to do the right thing.

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Lennie Jarratt

8:57 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

I'd still like to see Chris answer my questions since he did not the first time when we met. Mike already did answer them in the affirmative for both as I stated early in this post.

Swapna Baumann

5:52 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

Lennie or anyone who knows the answer to this question...
Is it a crime to take a candidate's placards and dispose of them? Should the offending person be thrown off the ballot, or since it is too late to take name off, would be denied to hold office. ?

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Lennie Jarratt

8:55 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

Yes, it is a crime and people have been arrested for it in past elections. They have to be charged criminally. As I found out with school boards, you cannot remove someone from elected office unless they are convicted of a felony. This is even if the SA has concluded they have committed felonies. Conviction is the key. Misdemeanors violators do not warrant removal.

Other boards or offices may have different variations since I have seen Buffalo Grove remove a trustee before. Maybe Chris or Mike can give us a more definite answer on this one.

Lennie Jarratt

9:59 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

I do so enjoy all the insinuations that someone is partisan if they are not voting for Chris; or do not have documents to hold someone accountable for the specific case they want; or the time to hold every elected official accountable for every possible infraction. Yet, from these same people calling for you partisan, we keep seeing them use the words of derision and personal attacks. Here are some of those words:

1. disruptive
2. harass
3. fabricating stories
4. loud proclamation
5. stigma of being VERY PARTISAN

Then we have the following:

1. The use of ad hominen fallacy
2. Straw man arguments
3. You are guilty until proven innocent

Typical arguments during political season in the currently hyper-partisan world of politics. We use to be able to have a civil discourse of the issues, but now it is attack, divide and conquer.
Let me know when you guys want to start working together in holding ALL elected officials accountable. It will take more than just myself to do that. I'll be here waiting as always to work TOGEHTER in a truly bipartisan and honest discussion of the facts and how we can ensure good and efficient government for ALL the people once again.

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Sergey Kemskiy

3:46 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012

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